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	<title>Comments on: Online Advertising: Sullivan vs. Clemons</title>
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		<title>By: Gerrit Eicker</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gerrit Eicker]]></dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/03/22/why-advertising-is-failing-on-the-internet/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Clemmons (origin)&lt;/a&gt;: &quot;&lt;strong&gt;The internet is about freedom, and I suspect that a truly free population will not be held captive and forced to watch ads.&lt;/strong&gt;  We always knew that freedom comes at a price; perhaps the price of internet freedom and the failure of ads will be paying a fair price for the content and the experience and the recommendations that we value. ... &lt;strong&gt;People don’t trust ads. ... People don’t want ads. ... People don’t need ads.&lt;/strong&gt;&quot;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://searchengineland.com/search-ads-are-misdirection-advertising-17028&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Sullivan (reply #1)&lt;/a&gt;: &quot;&lt;strong&gt;The TechCrunch article was designed to inspire debate. I recognize that, recognize it as queued up to go out on a typically slow Sunday news cycle to get people buzzing.&lt;/strong&gt; I just want educated debate. If we’re going to be subjected to weekend “thought stories” by any publication in the blogosphere, I desperately want more of those to be by people who demonstrate clear knowledge in their space and a reason to get the attention they receive. Clemons demonstrated none of that by calling search ads &#039;misdirection.&#039;&quot;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/03/28/steel-cage-debate-on-the-future-of-online-advertising-danny-sullivan-vs-eric-clemons/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Sullivan (reply #2)&lt;/a&gt;: &quot;&lt;strong&gt;Advertising, especially offline, has an issue in that people will avoid interruptions if they can&lt;/strong&gt;, nor do they particularly trust interruptions. In addition, &lt;strong&gt;offline ads are poorly targeted compared to those online and tracking performance is laughable compared to metrics for internet ads&lt;/strong&gt;. But that advertising still works. On the internet, which continues to grow its audience, advertising is smarter, more targeted, more measurable and ultimately will find a place to be more successful, in my view.&quot;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/03/28/steel-cage-debate-on-the-future-of-online-advertising-danny-sullivan-vs-eric-clemons/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Clemmons (reply #1)&lt;/a&gt;: &quot;&lt;strong&gt;There are numerous other business models that will work on the net, that will be tried, and that will succeed.&lt;/strong&gt; - The last point, actually, seemed to be the most important.  It was really the intent of the article, and the original title was &#039;Business Models for Monetizing the Internet:  Surely There Must Be Something Other Than Advertising.&#039;  This point got lost in the fury over the title of the article and in rage over the idea that online advertising might lose its importance. - I&#039;d like to offer Danny the following wager: &lt;strong&gt; I bet that in five years revenues from internet advertising will constitute less than 20% of internet business revenues, excluding revenues from the sale of physical goods.&lt;/strong&gt; Winner buys the loser lunch and gets to gloat.&quot;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/03/28/steel-cage-debate-on-the-future-of-online-advertising-danny-sullivan-vs-eric-clemons/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Sullivan (reply #3)&lt;/a&gt;: &quot;&lt;strong&gt;Just because many web sites on the web or many companies in the real world don’t earn the majority of their revenue through advertising doesn’t mean advertising is failing.&lt;/strong&gt; In terms of the internet, I think internet advertising will continue to grow as more people come online and the space continues to mature. And I’m happy to bet this will happen with a far better wager. - &lt;strong&gt;Clemons wrote that internet advertising revenues will never be as high again as they are now. I disagree.&lt;/strong&gt; In five years, let’s look at internet advertising spend reports from some commonly accepted sources, such as the IAB. If advertising is above today’s levels, I win. If not, he wins. The loser pays $1,000 to the charity of the winner’s choice.&quot;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/03/28/steel-cage-debate-on-the-future-of-online-advertising-danny-sullivan-vs-eric-clemons/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Clemmons (reply #2)&lt;/a&gt;: &quot;It appears that Danny actually agrees. That was the real point of my original article. &lt;strong&gt;It looks like we have agreement after all. Internet advertising will be a small percentage of internet revenues.&lt;/strong&gt; The other business models will become more important. At less than 20% internet advertising must fail as the main support of the internet. - &lt;strong&gt;Now we can move on and develop those business models.&lt;/strong&gt;&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/03/22/why-advertising-is-failing-on-the-internet/" rel="nofollow">Clemmons (origin)</a>: &#8220;<strong>The internet is about freedom, and I suspect that a truly free population will not be held captive and forced to watch ads.</strong>  We always knew that freedom comes at a price; perhaps the price of internet freedom and the failure of ads will be paying a fair price for the content and the experience and the recommendations that we value. &#8230; <strong>People don’t trust ads. &#8230; People don’t want ads. &#8230; People don’t need ads.</strong>&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://searchengineland.com/search-ads-are-misdirection-advertising-17028" rel="nofollow">Sullivan (reply #1)</a>: &#8220;<strong>The TechCrunch article was designed to inspire debate. I recognize that, recognize it as queued up to go out on a typically slow Sunday news cycle to get people buzzing.</strong> I just want educated debate. If we’re going to be subjected to weekend “thought stories” by any publication in the blogosphere, I desperately want more of those to be by people who demonstrate clear knowledge in their space and a reason to get the attention they receive. Clemons demonstrated none of that by calling search ads &#8216;misdirection.&#8217;&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/03/28/steel-cage-debate-on-the-future-of-online-advertising-danny-sullivan-vs-eric-clemons/" rel="nofollow">Sullivan (reply #2)</a>: &#8220;<strong>Advertising, especially offline, has an issue in that people will avoid interruptions if they can</strong>, nor do they particularly trust interruptions. In addition, <strong>offline ads are poorly targeted compared to those online and tracking performance is laughable compared to metrics for internet ads</strong>. But that advertising still works. On the internet, which continues to grow its audience, advertising is smarter, more targeted, more measurable and ultimately will find a place to be more successful, in my view.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/03/28/steel-cage-debate-on-the-future-of-online-advertising-danny-sullivan-vs-eric-clemons/" rel="nofollow">Clemmons (reply #1)</a>: &#8220;<strong>There are numerous other business models that will work on the net, that will be tried, and that will succeed.</strong> &#8211; The last point, actually, seemed to be the most important.  It was really the intent of the article, and the original title was &#8216;Business Models for Monetizing the Internet:  Surely There Must Be Something Other Than Advertising.&#8217;  This point got lost in the fury over the title of the article and in rage over the idea that online advertising might lose its importance. &#8211; I&#8217;d like to offer Danny the following wager: <strong> I bet that in five years revenues from internet advertising will constitute less than 20% of internet business revenues, excluding revenues from the sale of physical goods.</strong> Winner buys the loser lunch and gets to gloat.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/03/28/steel-cage-debate-on-the-future-of-online-advertising-danny-sullivan-vs-eric-clemons/" rel="nofollow">Sullivan (reply #3)</a>: &#8220;<strong>Just because many web sites on the web or many companies in the real world don’t earn the majority of their revenue through advertising doesn’t mean advertising is failing.</strong> In terms of the internet, I think internet advertising will continue to grow as more people come online and the space continues to mature. And I’m happy to bet this will happen with a far better wager. &#8211; <strong>Clemons wrote that internet advertising revenues will never be as high again as they are now. I disagree.</strong> In five years, let’s look at internet advertising spend reports from some commonly accepted sources, such as the IAB. If advertising is above today’s levels, I win. If not, he wins. The loser pays $1,000 to the charity of the winner’s choice.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/03/28/steel-cage-debate-on-the-future-of-online-advertising-danny-sullivan-vs-eric-clemons/" rel="nofollow">Clemmons (reply #2)</a>: &#8220;It appears that Danny actually agrees. That was the real point of my original article. <strong>It looks like we have agreement after all. Internet advertising will be a small percentage of internet revenues.</strong> The other business models will become more important. At less than 20% internet advertising must fail as the main support of the internet. &#8211; <strong>Now we can move on and develop those business models.</strong>&#8220;</p>
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